Two giants paraded their top weapons today

"El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!" (lightningzone) 01/12/2015 at 20:45 • Filed to: None

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But, they seem to forget about someone...

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 01/12/2015 at 20:47

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They didn't forget, they just don't give a fuck.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 01/12/2015 at 20:50

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Not a very wise move, if you ask me.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 01/12/2015 at 20:56

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Why? It's not like Toyota would steal any sales away from either of those two cars.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 01/12/2015 at 21:07

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Because I hear that the production LF-LC is going to be pretty crazy. And could even have a top F version, faster than the LFA.

Axial > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 01/12/2015 at 21:09

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It's been 3 years since they showed us the LF-LC. It's entering NSX territory as far as being a tease goes.

That said, the LF-LC is amazing and I'd totally want one over either the NSX or the Ford GT.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 01/12/2015 at 21:11

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Maybe in 10 years they can lease those out to customers for an exorbitant price and still find a way to lose money.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > Axial 01/12/2015 at 21:22

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People should learn to wait, a car is not like a new model of underwear. It takes time to develop it, from idea to production car. It takes at least 2-3 years for a normal car and 4-5 years for a speciality car, and that if it's approved quickly and doesn't loses a lot of time as a concept with TBD status.

Axial > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 01/12/2015 at 21:53

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Right, but you also get cases like GM where they ultimately never develop it. Instead, they take the things that were on it and slap them, watered down, onto cars that people aren't excited for. And then we rag on them for it, because it is bullshit. What's the point of getting consumer and other industry feedback on your ideas if your intent is to ultimately take the items being scrutinized out of the context in which they were critiqued?

Like, do people seriously think the Elmiraj is getting developed? Hell no it isn't. What is getting developed is a car that will look an awful lot like a stretched CTS and have that same miserable interior as its stablemates. It will be technically competent but still somehow fall short because the General just doesn't get it.

There is a very real risk of the LF-LC ending up in the same boat. They'll take everything that was right with the concept and crush it to fit in with Lexus's present language because that's how Lexus works. It may be technically competent, but it's going to have a bunch of pinches and flame styling in places that just don't work at all.

E92M3 > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 01/12/2015 at 21:59

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All this wait for the NSX. Today Acura was supposed to redeem themselves, but Ford stole the spotlight with the GT. All I can do at this point is just laugh at Acura. The new NSX is still a good car, it's just not $160k good.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > E92M3 01/12/2015 at 22:18

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How can you possibly know? Nobody outside Honda didn't got to drive it yet.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > Axial 01/12/2015 at 22:35

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Not all cars are meant for production. Some are created to test new manufacturing and prototype building methods, to train designers and fuel their creativity, to train engineers with new technologies, to test various packages and design languages. To see the public's reaction to a specific type of car from a certain brand at a given moment and so on.

That Lexus already has the current spindled L-Finesse design. It only depends how many of its elements are feasible for production.

E92M3 > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 01/12/2015 at 22:48

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I don't know, but if I had to place a wager I'd say it's not $160k great. Let me remind you this is the same company that said the CRZ was a hybrid sport compact. Compact yes, sporty it is not.

Axial > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 01/12/2015 at 22:58

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I understand all the internal reasons for a concept vehicle, however the only point of displaying the concept to the public is to get feedback on the directions the company is contemplating and get said public excited about the brand, maybe get them to stay their hand at purchasing a rival product because what you just showed them is more appealing and they would like to purchase the finished version in two or three years.

If all you intend to do is take the ideas demonstrated and pasteurize/homogenize them on generic vehicles later, you ignore why people got excited in the first place.

There is no point in showing something you have no intention of ever building. It's nice to drool over, but it does nothing but invite bitterness when you inevitably can that savory concept for another generic product that only implements faint shadows of the items you demonstrated previously. That's going to be the Avenir, and it is the Elmiraj, the IDx, and even the LF-LC (which was a clean shape...the RC-F, GS-F, etc. are not).

We need more BMW i8s in the world. There's a car that went from concept to showroom with remarkably little change.

Kate's Dirty Sister > E92M3 01/12/2015 at 23:06

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160k is not really expensive, it's Audi r8 territory.

From what we know, it has a tt v6 and and 3 electric motors.

This car have a potential of being a budget McLaren P1. That v6 output will certainly be above 500hp, and the electric part, who knows, 200hp ?

Where at 700 hp at the minimum. The car is made of carbon fiber and aluminium, it has all the latest and the greatest. 9 years of development is not that long for such a car and 160k is a bargain.

Just think of it, the Ferrari 458 successor is in devlopment since the day after the 458 hit the road, they just don't show it at every car shows.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > Kate's Dirty Sister 01/12/2015 at 23:53

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Not really 9 years, more like 4, on this car. It started with the 2003 HSC, and it continued with that FR V10 thing, and now to this.

As a fun fact, Honda built another two NSX concepts during the last decade, but it never showed them. It did convert one of them on hydrogen and showed that.

Tripper > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 01/13/2015 at 08:45

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Zing!!

E92M3 > Kate's Dirty Sister 01/13/2015 at 09:05

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I supposed you're right. I wish they would make a $75-85k sports car. Something that I could wait to depreciate after 2-3 years that I could actually afford, and wouldn't be too afraid to track.